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secretary of state hillary clinton who was in egypt just issued a statement saying the u.s. strongly condemns the attack and ready to provide assistance that israel requires. secretary clinton is calling for a cease fire but also trying to negotiate a longer term solution. >> the goal must be a durable outcome that promotes regional stability and advances the security and legitimate aspirations of israelis and palestinians alike. >> reporter: prior to the bus pomming, there were hopes -- bombing there were hopes for a cease fire but now it seems like the attack was a major set back in the efforts to deescalate the violence. reporting live from washington, d.c. alison burns ktvu channel 2 news. >> now in the middle of the crisis a 13-year-old israeli boy comes up an invention. how the boy's new app could end up saving lives. >>> the missouri mother who told police his son was plotting a shooting massacre at a movie theater is talking for the first time since her son was arrested. her son recently asked if he was a failure. her son blake was plotting to attack at a movie theat
secretary of state hillary clinton who was in egypt just issued a statement saying the u.s. strongly condemns the attack and ready to provide assistance that israel requires. secretary clinton is calling for a cease fire but also trying to negotiate a longer term solution. >> the goal must be a durable outcome that promotes regional stability and advances the security and legitimate aspirations of israelis and palestinians alike. >> reporter: prior to the bus pomming, there were...
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egypt's prime minister called on israel to end its military attacks on gaza. there is growing signs israel is preparing for a ground invasion. we are watching the situation. this is a live picture from the gaza strip. just moments ago there was smoke in the air. we're not sure what caused it. bombings in the area have continued this morning. hopes for a cease fire ended this morning when militants launched rockets at israel including a strike on tel aviv for the second straight day. israel said it hit 150 targets during the night. this is a third day of very intense fighting. israeli forces are gathering right along the border for a possible ground attack. >>> more protests are planned in san francisco later today outside the israeli consulate on montgomery street. yesterday about are propalestinian demonstrators you are looking at pictures here called for an end to the fighting in gaza and end to u.s. support of israel. a smaller group of proisraeli demonstrators held a counter protest. >>> happening right now former cia director david petraeus is testifying
egypt's prime minister called on israel to end its military attacks on gaza. there is growing signs israel is preparing for a ground invasion. we are watching the situation. this is a live picture from the gaza strip. just moments ago there was smoke in the air. we're not sure what caused it. bombings in the area have continued this morning. hopes for a cease fire ended this morning when militants launched rockets at israel including a strike on tel aviv for the second straight day. israel said...
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>>> a cease-fire, this ends 8 days intense sides and they helped to negotiate the truce along with egypt's new president. and black friday shoppers, they are camping out for days and lorraine blanco is live in panola and this is how early some stories are open and why this is causing a backlash. >>> i was talking with one of the guys and i asked him, what does he thinks about, he said this is crazy, he admits it but it is also ever. these frack friday are together their best. and employees are already getting inside there and target opens outside of that and the barricades are ready for thanksgiving shoppers. >> i won want to miss out on thanks gaving curb can i. door bust you are are door busters and employees have to work. campers here received wrist bands to make sure their dead cakes payoff. and it will mean first up on televisions and lcd and music and others, ktvu channel 2 morning news. >> and as lorraine mentions more about the showers for shopping, target opens its doors an hour later and and at 10:00. >>> and sheriff ross mirkarimi talks about the scandal that almost cost him his
>>> a cease-fire, this ends 8 days intense sides and they helped to negotiate the truce along with egypt's new president. and black friday shoppers, they are camping out for days and lorraine blanco is live in panola and this is how early some stories are open and why this is causing a backlash. >>> i was talking with one of the guys and i asked him, what does he thinks about, he said this is crazy, he admits it but it is also ever. these frack friday are together their best....
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hillary clinton has arrived in egypt. she will meet with egypt's president hoping to negotiate a cease fire. >>> around 1:00 this morning rescue teams in oakland recovered the body of a man who fell down a steep cliff into a water filled quarry near his home. reportedly he was searching for his missing cat in the dark at the time he fell down that cliff. investigators think the bad weather was a factor in his death. >>> developing news in san francisco arson crews are investigating the cause of a fire this morning. ktvu channel 2 reporter tara moriarty joins us live from the bay view district with more. tara. >> reporter: these burned out cars are being towed away. one of them is in the middle of the street and they are getting ready to take it to a yard. if we pan over to the right you can see under the carport there is a couple more cars in there. when firefighters arrived they saw smoke rolling out of this carport. they were able to extinguish the fire quickly. the flames never got too bad or spread to nearby houses. n
hillary clinton has arrived in egypt. she will meet with egypt's president hoping to negotiate a cease fire. >>> around 1:00 this morning rescue teams in oakland recovered the body of a man who fell down a steep cliff into a water filled quarry near his home. reportedly he was searching for his missing cat in the dark at the time he fell down that cliff. investigators think the bad weather was a factor in his death. >>> developing news in san francisco arson crews are...
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. >>> the power play in egypt, the emergency decree just declared. >>> plus it was swept out to sea by superstorm sandy, why officials say they want to leave it there. . the biggest in bail. no one has lower prices, is faster or more professional. aladdin bail bonds. bigger because we're better. you can stay in and share something... ♪ ♪ ...or you can get out there with your friends and actually share something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. [ man ] it's big. supports in times of need. same with aladdin. the biggest in bail. no one has lower prices, is faster or more professional. aladdin bail bonds. bigger because we're better. >>> dough doing well, up 108 points, it's only going to be open for another couple of hours because of black friday, but it looks like holiday shopping off to a great start and that is making traders happy. >>> we have breaking news from palo alto. we've been telling you about this. a chp patrol car flipped over after a crash on northbound 101. these are
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here we are of egypt's prime minister visiting the injured in the hospital. a planned cease fire during his visit to gaza did not last. they unleashed fresh attacking including one targeting tel aviv. they hit 150 targets overnight. rocket fire continues to crisscross the skies. israel is moving its troops near the border and organizing 16 thursday reservists. >>> more protests are planned in san francisco outside the israeli consulate on montgomery street. during a rush hour protests yesterday they called for an end to the fighting in gaza and u.s. support of israel. >> jewish community stands behind israel right now. no one wants war but every citizen has a right to be defended by its country. >> people who are coming have to speak for themselves of course. but i think they are defending what is in essence an militarized regime. >> san francisco police had almost 20 officers on the street just in case. no arrests were made. today's protest is planned for 4:00. >>> time is 5:07. new details about a search for a burglar who terrorized two college women during
here we are of egypt's prime minister visiting the injured in the hospital. a planned cease fire during his visit to gaza did not last. they unleashed fresh attacking including one targeting tel aviv. they hit 150 targets overnight. rocket fire continues to crisscross the skies. israel is moving its troops near the border and organizing 16 thursday reservists. >>> more protests are planned in san francisco outside the israeli consulate on montgomery street. during a rush hour protests...
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. >>> a mass protest is being held in cairo egypt right now. it's all in response to a controversial political power play by president mohammed morsi. he has issued an emergency decree that bars the court system from overruling his decisions. morsi's critics are outraged saying the president is quickly moving down the path of becoming a dictator. >>> your time 6:48. a somber memorial for a man from campbell. he was killed in an attempted car bombing. coming up at 7:05 how family members and friends are remembering rory park. >>> some local fans of cat williams say they have become the punch line of his jokes. that is cat williams on stage booing the crowds. thousands of people were at his show. but some have joined a class action lawsuit. they are accusing cat williams of bizarre behavior confronting a heckler. trying to fight at least three people in the audience and leaving the stage after only ten minutes. this class action lawsuit says that members of the audience deserve to get their money back. naming cat williams and the promoter live na
. >>> a mass protest is being held in cairo egypt right now. it's all in response to a controversial political power play by president mohammed morsi. he has issued an emergency decree that bars the court system from overruling his decisions. morsi's critics are outraged saying the president is quickly moving down the path of becoming a dictator. >>> your time 6:48. a somber memorial for a man from campbell. he was killed in an attempted car bombing. coming up at 7:05 how...
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president obama reportly talked for the third time in 24 hours with egypt's president who's trying to broke a deal and secretary of state hillary clinton arrived in reist reel. >> advance the security and legitimate aspirations of israelis and palestinians palestinians alike. >> reporter: this afternoon i spoke with cnn correspondent who said people on both sides now want more than just a temporary cease fire. >> reporter: all of this talk that it's going to be this way or that and getting to that is a very difficult thing to do. >> reporter: in the meantime she says palestinians and israelis will stay calm until a lasting resolution. >>> you can go view her story. >>> just one week after clearing his name, the puppeteer for sesame streets eale moe is stepping down. kevin last a lawsuit filed today of him having sexual relations with an under aged boy for a two-week period. expects more legal action in the coming weeks. personal matters have diverted attention away from the important work sesame street is doing and cannot allow it to go on any longer. >> palo alto company says it will
president obama reportly talked for the third time in 24 hours with egypt's president who's trying to broke a deal and secretary of state hillary clinton arrived in reist reel. >> advance the security and legitimate aspirations of israelis and palestinians palestinians alike. >> reporter: this afternoon i spoke with cnn correspondent who said people on both sides now want more than just a temporary cease fire. >> reporter: all of this talk that it's going to be this way or...
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he removed egypt's attorney general for not pursuing corp. running cases of allies of the previousous ruler my bar rec. >>> this is the -- mubarak. >>> the gaza strip, they announced it would and sin if they didn't can follow the truce. observers say it helps legitimize the trust. the cease-fire ended eight straight days of fighting. nothing has been worked out beyond the original cease-fire agreement. >>> meantime, israel is the target of another militant group. the leader of hezbollah is warning they will fire rockets into tel aviv and all of israel if a war breaks out. they fought the war against them in 2006. >>> there is a crash in the county that killed the danville man. 68-year-old russell hackler died when his plane crashed into the county airport. he was the only person aboard the plane. >> he said. you know, if i check out tomorrow. i have had a full life. i have done everything i want. i enjoyed myself. i am happy. and it is all been good. >>> the faa is looking into the cause of the crash. >>> well, black friday sales appear to be
he removed egypt's attorney general for not pursuing corp. running cases of allies of the previousous ruler my bar rec. >>> this is the -- mubarak. >>> the gaza strip, they announced it would and sin if they didn't can follow the truce. observers say it helps legitimize the trust. the cease-fire ended eight straight days of fighting. nothing has been worked out beyond the original cease-fire agreement. >>> meantime, israel is the target of another militant group. the...
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. >>> and the all night push in egypt to draft a new constitution. the anger over key groups left out of the prose process. pro -- left out of the process. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- ♪ you can stay in and like something... ♪ [ car alarm deactivates ] ♪ ...or you can get out there with your family and actually like something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. >>> 6:13. happening now in egypt the panel dominated by the muslim brotherhood worked through the night to approve a draft constitution. and there are still protests now in cairo's square. the protestors are angry the constitution was put together without the participation of liberal and christian members. panel wrapped up add voting on 234 articles during a marathon 16 hour session it ended just after dawn today. >>> back here at home the harbors in los angeles and long beach are idle due if an ongoing strike. a retail group is asking president obama to intervene. a ten-d
. >>> and the all night push in egypt to draft a new constitution. the anger over key groups left out of the prose process. pro -- left out of the process. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- ♪ you can stay in and like something... ♪ [ car alarm deactivates ] ♪ ...or you can get out there with your family and actually like something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection....
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tension. >> a deadly disaster in southern egypt. a speeding train crashed into a bus full of children heading to school. at least 47 people were killed. the majority were students aged four to six. parents could be seen rushing to the crash site. one official said that the railroad crossing was not down as the train approached it. the president said those responsible for the accident will be held responsible. >>> the coast guard search for two workers still missing after an explosion. four men were burned in the blast on the oil platform off the coast of louisiana. the fire came just a day after bp agreed to pay a record $4.5 billion in penalties for the 2010 deep water horizon explosion that killed 11. this weekend a sheen of oil has been spotted in the water off louisiana. officials say they believe it was caused by residual oil on the platform. >> an arizona woman is under arrest after driving onto an airport runway with a baby in the backseat. police say she may have been on drugs when she broke through a fence and drove on to t
tension. >> a deadly disaster in southern egypt. a speeding train crashed into a bus full of children heading to school. at least 47 people were killed. the majority were students aged four to six. parents could be seen rushing to the crash site. one official said that the railroad crossing was not down as the train approached it. the president said those responsible for the accident will be held responsible. >>> the coast guard search for two workers still missing after an...
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in egypt today, a prominent opposition leader accused president morsi of giving himself the powers of a pharaoh. they called the expansion of his powers an unprecedented attack on judicial independence. >> reporter: the protests continued today in egypt, though they were much smaller than yesterday. egyptians who believe that president mohammed morsi has made a brazen power grab clashed with authorities. but many supported president morsi's expanded role. the spokesperson says it's temporary and not democrat because mr. morsi won 52% of the vote in the presidential election. >> it's everywhere. democracy is, of course -- after the election, it's over. they would all have to wait for years for the one who is elected to president till he proves whether he will succeed for not. >> reporter: but no american president has ever controlled the legislative and executive blanches of government, then made himself immune to judicial oversight. it's that consolidation of power that makes some egyptians not only angry but fearful. dr. habb led protests during the egyptian revolution last year that
in egypt today, a prominent opposition leader accused president morsi of giving himself the powers of a pharaoh. they called the expansion of his powers an unprecedented attack on judicial independence. >> reporter: the protests continued today in egypt, though they were much smaller than yesterday. egyptians who believe that president mohammed morsi has made a brazen power grab clashed with authorities. but many supported president morsi's expanded role. the spokesperson says it's...
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. >>> egypt's president is earning praise around the world to help with the cease fire. now they have made a controversial political power play in his own country. he has issued an emergency decree that bars the egyptian court system from overruling his decision. >> all decisions the president has made since taking office in new and new constitution are not subject to appeal in court or by any other authority. >> morsi's critics are outraged saying the president is moving down the path of becoming a dictator. >>> lobbiest are really reaching out to lawmakers trying to protect their interests as those fiscal cliff negotiations get under way. supporters are pushing lawmakers to protect social social security, medicare, and medicaid. the lobbiest with the defense industry they are also trying to fight spending cut backs. and the companies that make medical devices they are are trying to block new taxes from taking effect on their products because of the new health care reform law. a package of tax hikes and spending cuts known as the fiscal cliff will take effect in january
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. >> violence grows in egypt while protesters call for revolution. we'll have the latest from cairo. >> shocking evidence apparently overlooked. what authorities failed to check during the investigation, the death of 2-year-old caylee anthony. >> and in weather dense fog developing right now. where that fog will be first thing tomorrow morning for your early morning commute and details in a big change in our weather pattern the first heavy rain band to arrive in the bay area. >>> numerous clashes between police and protests erupted in egypt again today including this one on the streets of cairo. the violence flaired last week when president morsi declared himself immune from the courts. so far one person has died and hundreds have been injured. >>> egypt's stock market plunged today and the first day since president morsi made his decree. today protesters are occupying tehrere square hoping to denounce the first president who made history. >> reporter: thousands of egyptians set up camp, their sediment making the world know they're there to stay a wh
. >> violence grows in egypt while protesters call for revolution. we'll have the latest from cairo. >> shocking evidence apparently overlooked. what authorities failed to check during the investigation, the death of 2-year-old caylee anthony. >> and in weather dense fog developing right now. where that fog will be first thing tomorrow morning for your early morning commute and details in a big change in our weather pattern the first heavy rain band to arrive in the bay area....
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cairo, egypt. stay in the middle east where relentless airstrikes and rockets continue to rain down despite talk of a cease-fire. to david lee miller in israel with the latest. >> stewart, it was a late night for diplomacy. the israeli prime minister netanyahu meeting with secretary of state hillary clinton. no announcement regarding a cease-fire. they both addressed the fact that whatever is produced has to be a lasting and just peace. meanwhile, hamas spokesman says israel has not responded to the latest cease-fire proposals and the earliest there could be any type of truce is tomorrow. meanwhile, we have seen today more rockets launched from gaza by militants. at least 130 of them -- one of the rockets landing not far from the city of jaw jerusalem. it landed in a palestinian village. also another rocket hit a building on the outskirts of tel aviv. this was the farthest rocket hit yet since this conflict got underway. it traveled some 45 miles and there were some light injuries in the tel aviv a
cairo, egypt. stay in the middle east where relentless airstrikes and rockets continue to rain down despite talk of a cease-fire. to david lee miller in israel with the latest. >> stewart, it was a late night for diplomacy. the israeli prime minister netanyahu meeting with secretary of state hillary clinton. no announcement regarding a cease-fire. they both addressed the fact that whatever is produced has to be a lasting and just peace. meanwhile, hamas spokesman says israel has not...
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. >>> the prime minister of egypt will go to gaza in the next few hours. we've just learned that israel is prepared to hold its fire during his visit if the palestinians do the same. this battle between israel and hamas is happening under different circumstances. there is a new government in egypt, one that is generally more supportive of hamas. tonight, hundreds of protesters gathered outside the israeli consulate in san francisco to condemn the israeli attacks on gaza. a handful of pro-israel demonstrators were there as well. cbs 5 reporter allen is in tel aviv. >> reporter: throughout the day, they kept firing rockets back. warning sirens sent civilians screaming for shelters. the tit for tat violence was called a targeted assassination. today more than a thousand people turned out for the funeral and vowed to hit tel aviv in revenge. hundreds of rockets were fired, most of which were intercepted. the rockets are relatively small, but hamas is thought to have as many as 10,000 of them. fire enough and some will get through. an israeli family of three wa
. >>> the prime minister of egypt will go to gaza in the next few hours. we've just learned that israel is prepared to hold its fire during his visit if the palestinians do the same. this battle between israel and hamas is happening under different circumstances. there is a new government in egypt, one that is generally more supportive of hamas. tonight, hundreds of protesters gathered outside the israeli consulate in san francisco to condemn the israeli attacks on gaza. a handful of...
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but egypt has stepped up to try to broker this peace deal. there was word that there would be an announcement of some type of temporary truce a 24-hour cooling-off period this afternoon. we haven't heard anything yet. but the international community scrambling right now at this hour to try to find a way to stop these air strikes, frank. >> very difficult decision or situation over there. okay, danielle, thank you for that live report. >>> four men are under arrest in an alleged terror plot busted in southern california. the fbi says the men conspired to kill americans overseas and in the u.s. and planned to join al qaeda and the taliban. one suspect is a 34-year-old man who served in the us air force in 2000 and 2001. authorities say he tried to arrange for two california men to meet his contacts with terror organizations. >>> hewlett-packard's 4th quarter losses are in the billions today. the palo alto-based company purchased british software maker autonomy for $11 billion last year but says the company had misrepresented its finances and is
but egypt has stepped up to try to broker this peace deal. there was word that there would be an announcement of some type of temporary truce a 24-hour cooling-off period this afternoon. we haven't heard anything yet. but the international community scrambling right now at this hour to try to find a way to stop these air strikes, frank. >> very difficult decision or situation over there. okay, danielle, thank you for that live report. >>> four men are under arrest in an alleged...
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secretary- general ban ki-moon is in cairo, egypt today to assist cease-fire talks there. the threat of a ground war remains. thousands of israeli tanks, thousands of israeli tanks, soldiers and rocket launchers are ready to cross the border susan mcginnis, cbs news, washington. >>> the israeli air force briefly took control of hamas radio network warning people from gaza to stay away from hamas facilities. >>> president obama is right now in cambodia. he will raise human rights concerns in his meeting today with long-time prime minister han sen. he also visited burma. he encouraged them to continue the transition to democracy. he also met with nobel peace price winner. vice president joe biden says the federal government is in it for the long term when it companies to helping rebuild areas damaged by hurricane sandy. he toured the new jersey storm- ravaged coast yesterday including the boardwalk at seaside heights. the vice president says rebuilding the region is a national responsibility. >>> i know it's monday but we can already start talking the weekend because it star
secretary- general ban ki-moon is in cairo, egypt today to assist cease-fire talks there. the threat of a ground war remains. thousands of israeli tanks, thousands of israeli tanks, soldiers and rocket launchers are ready to cross the border susan mcginnis, cbs news, washington. >>> the israeli air force briefly took control of hamas radio network warning people from gaza to stay away from hamas facilities. >>> president obama is right now in cambodia. he will raise human...
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critics say he has done little to bring real reform to egypt. >> the turmoil in egypt could play a role in the cease-fire in gaza. store on both sides of the border are re-opening after the navy eased its blockades. >>> in bangladesh over' hundred are dead of after a fire spread through the clothing area of the city of dhaka. firefighters are still working on the fire eight hours arit started. >> in the west bank workers are preparing to open the grave of former palestinian leadership yasar arafat who died eight years ago after a sudden illness that say say is linked to poisoning. they are gathering samples from arafat's remains and test them for radioactive chemicals. >>> in jordan this weekend there were more demonstrations over a recent hike in gas prices. the royal government stopped underwriting gallon and art in gas sales and people are angry at paying more at the pump. a gallon of gas in jordan costs $4.20 in u.s. dollars. >>> in england, they released this pictures of a paralyzed dog named jasper walking with an assistive device. scientists from the university of came bainbridge
critics say he has done little to bring real reform to egypt. >> the turmoil in egypt could play a role in the cease-fire in gaza. store on both sides of the border are re-opening after the navy eased its blockades. >>> in bangladesh over' hundred are dead of after a fire spread through the clothing area of the city of dhaka. firefighters are still working on the fire eight hours arit started. >> in the west bank workers are preparing to open the grave of former palestinian...
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are welcome you watching our take live from moscow now and a further escalation of the crisis in egypt opposition activists are plying are planning more mass rallies against president morsi has decree that greatly enlarged his power tens of thousands of egyptians are now calling for these alarmist leader to stand down under pressure from protest lawmakers have vowed to finish drafting the country's new constitution on thursday but the move is only likely to spark more unrest as judas bell true reports from cairo. when this constitution is drafted and goes through referendum president morsi wrote in his controversial constitution that duration of his extra powers he says soon will and to this is off the referendum however the real issue the heart of this debate is the constitution itself and the way that it's being drafted the opposition forces really see the constituent assembly as an illegitimate body because at least a quarter of its members have staged a walkout including key representatives from the church and liberal leftist forces for example so this constitution they really see
are welcome you watching our take live from moscow now and a further escalation of the crisis in egypt opposition activists are plying are planning more mass rallies against president morsi has decree that greatly enlarged his power tens of thousands of egyptians are now calling for these alarmist leader to stand down under pressure from protest lawmakers have vowed to finish drafting the country's new constitution on thursday but the move is only likely to spark more unrest as judas bell true...
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so the catholics of egypt and orthodox of egypt as well as the protestants of egypt being under pressure all the time, discriminated against because of their faith, their faith must mean something to them- they are willing to pay for it. and those who are willing to pay for it and not to convert to islam under the pressure of poverty or lack of promotion, they must have a personal relationship with god- sacrament first or agent first- there is that living experience. the coptic church always puts emphasis on repentance, and repentance is in your life- one turns his back to sin and his face to god. so i think that they have that beautiful link between a person and christ under the pressure, and with the teaching, even if it is not as clear as protestants bring up justification by faith. >> see, that's a very remarkable spin on being a minority in a country with a dominant religion. as our conversation went on, he was saying something along the lines of, "you americans who are christian, you don't appreciate your christianity because it comes so easy." here- and he went on and on about thi
so the catholics of egypt and orthodox of egypt as well as the protestants of egypt being under pressure all the time, discriminated against because of their faith, their faith must mean something to them- they are willing to pay for it. and those who are willing to pay for it and not to convert to islam under the pressure of poverty or lack of promotion, they must have a personal relationship with god- sacrament first or agent first- there is that living experience. the coptic church always...
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. >>> police and people clashed in egypt in cairo. with the parliament gone, the new leader can create pass and oversee new laws. >> reporter: protesters in egypt set fire to one headquarters of the muslim brotherhood and threw rocks at a another. hundreds gathered in cairo's square after nightfall. there were thousands more earlier in the day. and confrontation with riot police. the officers fired tear gas at the group injuring a few of the protesters. the violence was triggered after egypt's granted himself sweeping new powers, making him immune to oversight. a spokesperson said that theder clauges raised concern -- declarations for egypt egipans -- egyptians and the international community. he made the move thursday, a day after receiving worldwide accolades for mediating a ceasefire between hamas and israel. these are the most widespread protests since he came in power in june following the country's first election. >>> watch out. the big time tumble that led to a hug from a big baby. >>> it's good for the soul. >> and yes, there'
. >>> police and people clashed in egypt in cairo. with the parliament gone, the new leader can create pass and oversee new laws. >> reporter: protesters in egypt set fire to one headquarters of the muslim brotherhood and threw rocks at a another. hundreds gathered in cairo's square after nightfall. there were thousands more earlier in the day. and confrontation with riot police. the officers fired tear gas at the group injuring a few of the protesters. the violence was triggered...
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>> the question is what will happen with egypt itself. we have a democratically elected president who gave themselves dictatorial power -- gave himself dictatorial power. what exactly he will do with it is the question now. >> thank you very much. we will have more on that story as information comes in. meanwhile, the conflict in syria continues in several parts of that country. and-government rebels say they have captured rebels in a key- oil-producing area -- anti- government rebels said they have captured -- anti-government forces said they have captured rebels in the key oil-producing area. >> fighting has also been reported in aleppo and damascus. the government used warplanes to bomb our -- held parts of the city. >> history seems to be repeating itself in the congo. >> this time, it is a group of insurgents who call themselves the m23 rebel group. >> it is a conflict that looks a lot like the one we saw back in 2004 through 2009. on thursday, government troops were fighting back. >> these weapons were left behind by the thousands o
>> the question is what will happen with egypt itself. we have a democratically elected president who gave themselves dictatorial power -- gave himself dictatorial power. what exactly he will do with it is the question now. >> thank you very much. we will have more on that story as information comes in. meanwhile, the conflict in syria continues in several parts of that country. and-government rebels say they have captured rebels in a key- oil-producing area -- anti- government...
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therapy is necessary for egypt to move forward to transform how to react to that i don't think dictatorship is ever necessary to move forward as we've seen in the past the military has done the same thing and it's given a granted itself powers and we've seen what they've done with these powers they have killed a lot of egyptians fellow texans and they have not lived up to their mandate so in light of that i can i cannot accept that being a dictator is a way to democracy and a man who is accepted to to give himself dictatorial powers temporarily will give himself dictatorial powers permanently especially in light of right now the constitution called scituate assembly being immune to any judiciary oversight and that itself shows that he is willing to protect his his powers and the parliament to come who he expects to be mostly of the muslim brotherhood i i would expect franklin but the president was elected democratically elected and he has a mandate for change so go ahead frank well that's right and i think it's an overstatement to conclude for quickly he's a dictator. i think he's defending
therapy is necessary for egypt to move forward to transform how to react to that i don't think dictatorship is ever necessary to move forward as we've seen in the past the military has done the same thing and it's given a granted itself powers and we've seen what they've done with these powers they have killed a lot of egyptians fellow texans and they have not lived up to their mandate so in light of that i can i cannot accept that being a dictator is a way to democracy and a man who is...
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how significant is it that egypt is playing the shots? >> when it came to trying to mediate the deals, egypt has played a critical role what has changed is the dynamics, the ally of the west and the de facto ally of israel is no longer in power and the egyptians became an entity and that changed a lot of the dynamics and that has changed the way it has been playing out here on the ground. the frame work of what is transpiring here, that is what has changed at this point. most certainly, given the fact that it is a young government, it has in one sense past that first critical test. thank you very much indeed. >> welcome to you. >> thank you for having me. >> can you you outline what you believe the spirit of this agreement to be today? it is an arrangement that has been with the support of the united states and it promises us the people of southern israel peace and quiet. that they no longer have to fear rockets coming in. the promise of the possibility to live a normal life. >> i understand that it promises the people of gaza a better fu
how significant is it that egypt is playing the shots? >> when it came to trying to mediate the deals, egypt has played a critical role what has changed is the dynamics, the ally of the west and the de facto ally of israel is no longer in power and the egyptians became an entity and that changed a lot of the dynamics and that has changed the way it has been playing out here on the ground. the frame work of what is transpiring here, that is what has changed at this point. most certainly,...
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announce who for a strike to seeing really quite a lot of movement there for a major sectors within egypt society which the president is really going to have to do with as things escalate on the streets as well fish clashes continue between protesters and the police which started early last week police are firing excessive amounts of tear gas and bird shot at dozens of protesters who are still in the streets reporting from the scene my colleague tom barton has more here in the streets of central cairo the sights the sounds and the smells of protest and of civil disorder very loud and very clear tucker a square is just over there and a large crowd of protesters are doing stones at the police who are giving just as much back picking up stones themselves and firing back along with them as vans firing gas canisters into the crowds the stench of to gas is thick in the air the police are protest as everyone alike is has that eyes and nose is reassuring for militias tear gas has made itself cocktails trying through the air as well only pavements have been ripped up as have some of the branches o
announce who for a strike to seeing really quite a lot of movement there for a major sectors within egypt society which the president is really going to have to do with as things escalate on the streets as well fish clashes continue between protesters and the police which started early last week police are firing excessive amounts of tear gas and bird shot at dozens of protesters who are still in the streets reporting from the scene my colleague tom barton has more here in the streets of...
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egypt's a good investment. outt's very diplomatic way of the crisis? that at the moment, it seems that both hamas and aerial are committed to see this through. -- at the moment it seems that both hamas and israel are committed to see this through. newmembers of syria's opposition coalition are seeking former role recognition of the west and held talks in london. it said they still needed to submit plans for a political solution. it said britain would offer its support. our diplomatic correspondent has the latest. >> a regime bombing run in northern syria. this act of this video shows the bombs falling. it is the latest evidence of an unequal war that opposition rebels are convinced they can win. fighters of the free syrian army insists they are taking ground. but opposition leaders have been greatly hampered by deep divisions until now. which is what makes these pictures so significant. the new opposition coalition to discuss ways that britain can strengthen their hand. first, the government needed assurances f
egypt's a good investment. outt's very diplomatic way of the crisis? that at the moment, it seems that both hamas and aerial are committed to see this through. -- at the moment it seems that both hamas and israel are committed to see this through. newmembers of syria's opposition coalition are seeking former role recognition of the west and held talks in london. it said they still needed to submit plans for a political solution. it said britain would offer its support. our diplomatic...
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and other countries should stay out of this and just live events take their course in egypt i think the egyptian people so far are doing fine and constraining this power grab well what do you think about that i mean she was grazed he was praising when he when he reigned in the army that's the first time in six decades since the king that you haven't had military control he got a lot of accolades from that and now people some people are jumping on him but i think he needs a little more time but it's i agree it's a very serious when you co-opt judicial review manger wipe out the judiciary and the legislature has been formed yet so yeah it looks like a pharaoh but i hope it's going to be temporary and he'll come through as as as obama has confidence in him you heard saw that interview where obama said he really enjoyed talking to of those five or six times on gaza he said he found that the guy spoke and thought like an engineer while he was trained by an engineer and there's nothing wrong with that so i think i think the americans as our colleague said from washington they will stay out of
and other countries should stay out of this and just live events take their course in egypt i think the egyptian people so far are doing fine and constraining this power grab well what do you think about that i mean she was grazed he was praising when he when he reigned in the army that's the first time in six decades since the king that you haven't had military control he got a lot of accolades from that and now people some people are jumping on him but i think he needs a little more time but...
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>> kurram burk, egypt only have one is -- remember, egypt only have one institution before the revolution, the military. what egypt is trying to do simultaneously is find leaders, build institutions, and meet the aspirations that had been billed very high during a very successful and peaceful revolution. that is not easy. it will take time to build institutions and impose the role of -- the rule of law. >> the ceasefire in gaza, will that help to win egypt friends abroad? >> i think it shows they play a special role in the middle east. and they are regaining their traditional role in the region. it is good as long as the president does not believe he can then take about -- take that and cashed in for a grant of power, which is the concern of some. >> do you think he is the leader to take them into the near future? greta i think he was -- >> i think he was elected democratically in a free and fair election. think of egypt as slowly putting in place all of the various elements of a country that has greater democracy and greater respect for human rights, but it will take time. in the meantim
>> kurram burk, egypt only have one is -- remember, egypt only have one institution before the revolution, the military. what egypt is trying to do simultaneously is find leaders, build institutions, and meet the aspirations that had been billed very high during a very successful and peaceful revolution. that is not easy. it will take time to build institutions and impose the role of -- the rule of law. >> the ceasefire in gaza, will that help to win egypt friends abroad? >> i...
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i've been in fifty two ever since in egypt and of course that's what happened in the. nazi germany kept temporary kept. racing every four years the weimar constitution or postponing it there is danger but i think that his instincts have been demonstrated and i think that his the support that he has. we don't have a lot to worry about of course he's going to be watched yeah he made a mistake he took a chainsaw when he just needed a scalpel to adjust things but he's paying a price politically he's learning and i think from the demonstrations today there are the people are understanding i mean they're out there but not in the numbers that were expected so i think i give him on a couple weeks so let's see what happens ok i don't think it's a power grab i mean yeah everyone uses the term power grab i don't where do you come out on this because i guess the litmus test is the first the next elections ok when they have a constitution shouldn't criticism be muted at this point well i think we have to. be enamored with democracy sometimes democracy brings. bad leaders to power l
i've been in fifty two ever since in egypt and of course that's what happened in the. nazi germany kept temporary kept. racing every four years the weimar constitution or postponing it there is danger but i think that his instincts have been demonstrated and i think that his the support that he has. we don't have a lot to worry about of course he's going to be watched yeah he made a mistake he took a chainsaw when he just needed a scalpel to adjust things but he's paying a price politically...
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and boils that break out on man and beast and all the land of egypt. >> thanks. next speaker. >> yes, i am born and raised in san francisco. i have been been back for a while. i am asking some probably questions. i didn't hear if you're allowed to get a response. for instance why can't citizens pull items from the consent agenda? in el dorado county in tal hoe citizens can pull and the amount of time is different than what you stated and i took the bus to get here and all the people who may have been spread out around the park -- i call it plaza park were kind of more angry than ever on turk street. they have no place to go when they can't go in the plaza. this skate board thing could be held somewhere else. and the lafayette line and when a park is a park you don't need to construct things and there are other parks happening. this is an example -- how do we call it? the construction mafia and we have $5 million to do this. we want to do this and you're tearing out trees and i applaud the people opposing this. and stand up and keep trees where they are. don't cut
and boils that break out on man and beast and all the land of egypt. >> thanks. next speaker. >> yes, i am born and raised in san francisco. i have been been back for a while. i am asking some probably questions. i didn't hear if you're allowed to get a response. for instance why can't citizens pull items from the consent agenda? in el dorado county in tal hoe citizens can pull and the amount of time is different than what you stated and i took the bus to get here and all the people...
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. >> power grabbing night new tension in egypt. police fire tear gas on protestors as the [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. >> south bay family not spending the holiday like most of us. instead of big meals and shopping they are planning a funeral for latest homicide victim. grieving father brother sat down today with corrina in a story you will see only on abc 7 news. >>reporter: he's looking through family photo for the worst of reasons. he's preparing for his 22-year-old son's memorial service. >> some day i'll be able to talk about this without holding back tears. but it's not now. >>reporter: it was just one week ago rory park was innocently caught in a violent crime spree. police say 2 men carried out 4 armed robberies killed the young campbell resident during an attempted carjacking in 7-11 parkin
. >> power grabbing night new tension in egypt. police fire tear gas on protestors as the [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. >> south bay family not spending the holiday like most of us. instead of big meals and shopping they are planning a funeral for...
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to cross-talk egypt's president i'm joined by while escobar in cairo he is a blogger and a journalist in beirut we have franklin lamb he is director of the americans concern for middle east peace and in washington we cross to ivan eland he is a senior fellow and director of the center on peace and liberty at the independent institute or a german cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want while in cairo and i to go to you first of the president has been widely criticized for his decree expanding his power but others would say it was necessary that political shock therapy is necessary for egypt to move forward to transform how to react to that i don't think dictatorship is ever necessary to move forward as we've seen in the past the military has done the same thing and it's given granted itself powers and we've seen what they've done with these powers they've killed a lot of egyptians fellow defense and they have not lived up to their mandate so in light of that i can i cannot accept that being a dictator is a way to democracy and a man who is accepted to to
to cross-talk egypt's president i'm joined by while escobar in cairo he is a blogger and a journalist in beirut we have franklin lamb he is director of the americans concern for middle east peace and in washington we cross to ivan eland he is a senior fellow and director of the center on peace and liberty at the independent institute or a german cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want while in cairo and i to go to you first of the president has been widely...
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>>reporter: birth place of egypt revolution. today once again rippinging with calls to the did you know fall of a dictator. this time it's for this man. president mohammad morsi whom america rae lies on to be a regional peace broker but last week he granted himself unchecked power. him if leaving to bloody clashes. the crowd is planting leave. these are the seam chant 2 years ago during the refuse lugs except that they have substituted mubarak for morsi. the egyptian topple president mubarak. dictator who ruled for 3 decade. they then held a historic election. voted in the new president. now fichlt he's like a super power. >>reporter: the office says the move is just temporary. side lined remnant of the era app put he script on the right track. it's far from within who will win the show did you know but certainly more bloody days ahead on egypt bumpy road to democracy. this is cairo. >> president obama today signed a law that requires u.s. airline to be secluded from fe fees for european carbon emission. air leaps fought the pro
>>reporter: birth place of egypt revolution. today once again rippinging with calls to the did you know fall of a dictator. this time it's for this man. president mohammad morsi whom america rae lies on to be a regional peace broker but last week he granted himself unchecked power. him if leaving to bloody clashes. the crowd is planting leave. these are the seam chant 2 years ago during the refuse lugs except that they have substituted mubarak for morsi. the egyptian topple president...
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the international community wants egypt to use its influence to help broker rate peace deal. on a visit to gaza are, of the egyptian and prime minister announced the is really assaults like to buy the hamas leader. >> post-revolutionary egypt, will make every effort to stop these attacks and to ensure the rights of the palestinian people. >> israel says they will halt their attacks only will they stop firing rockets out their people. coming within striking distance of tel aviv and jerusalem, they seem unlikely to opt for restraint. >> with the latest? >> we understand from reports in gaza that there are more airstrikes and there was another step by the military launching in the arms birds of jerusalem. this is about 20 kilometers south of jerusalem. nobody was injured as this exploded and the results of a speech by president of boss in which he appeared to the egyptians to help a low lilly fighting. he also tried to speak for all the palestinians. also on the political efforts, they will be meeting tonight to discuss for the developments and talk about the tunisian foreign mi
the international community wants egypt to use its influence to help broker rate peace deal. on a visit to gaza are, of the egyptian and prime minister announced the is really assaults like to buy the hamas leader. >> post-revolutionary egypt, will make every effort to stop these attacks and to ensure the rights of the palestinian people. >> israel says they will halt their attacks only will they stop firing rockets out their people. coming within striking distance of tel aviv and...
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better more enhanced improved but of course another difference here is the changing of the guards in egypt i know former president hosni mubarak had closed off the rafael crossing in two thousand and eight between gaza and egypt but the new president president mohamed morsi has not done so talk about what kind of effect this is having paula. well christine i think that's a significant point to make i mean we're looking now at the new egyptian leadership with the muslim brotherhood in power in cairo you do essentially have politicians there who have a much closer alliance to the hamas leadership in gaza but having said that though they do have a very delicate line to follow it's a balancing act that on the one hand they want to be true to their support base they want to respond to what people on the egyptian street are saying and that is to give support to hamas but on the other hand morsi and his government will not one to a made the united states they receive millions of dollars every year in funding from washington and so they'll want to be seen not to be too much in the hands of a must
better more enhanced improved but of course another difference here is the changing of the guards in egypt i know former president hosni mubarak had closed off the rafael crossing in two thousand and eight between gaza and egypt but the new president president mohamed morsi has not done so talk about what kind of effect this is having paula. well christine i think that's a significant point to make i mean we're looking now at the new egyptian leadership with the muslim brotherhood in power in...
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egypt and the poor economy for quite some time and it is degrading. we see tourism plummet, and there is no hope of that coming back anytime soon. we don't see any real industrial activity in egypt. we see a very inefficient agricultural sector. a lot of things are wrong with the egyptian economy, and unfortunately president more see in the muslim brotherhood are focused on an agenda of distribution, redistribution of wealth and the welfare state which is just not a prescription for economic succes in the short term i think he is trying to shore up his power by taking some power back from the judiciary. then he will try to appeal to the poorest egyptians by redistributing. melissa: he better do that quick. don't want to run at a time without asking you about david's slang. a lot of made -- a lot was made of the iron dome. the net cost to israelis to shoot down one rocket is somewhere between $50,150,000. at the same time, you know, the moss is being supplied with rockets that are a few thousand dollars. you can see if this was just a battle of money t
egypt and the poor economy for quite some time and it is degrading. we see tourism plummet, and there is no hope of that coming back anytime soon. we don't see any real industrial activity in egypt. we see a very inefficient agricultural sector. a lot of things are wrong with the egyptian economy, and unfortunately president more see in the muslim brotherhood are focused on an agenda of distribution, redistribution of wealth and the welfare state which is just not a prescription for economic...
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there's not a #*us-egypt free trade geement given all the uncertainty in egypt within the foreseeable future, but if it is serious, egypt can reap many of the benefits of free trade through the massive expansion of the qu disirks system with -- qiz system with israel. they would lower the amount of israeli content required to be as part of the deal, but that would require the islamest president of egypt to recognize the benefits of much significantly broadened qiz relationship and to, in fact, utter the word publicly, "israel," something which he was not yet done in the official capacity. a third initiative, repairing israeli-turkish ties. it's in the interest of the countries. i know, mr. president, you tried, once to do this, and we did not succeed, but times have changed. syria has happened, they are weakened than before, and should benjamin netanyahu be elected, he'll be stronger after the election than he was the last time we tried to do this. after politics is clarified, it's time to try this again. well, one last set of items, what are the game changers? what are the unknowns a
there's not a #*us-egypt free trade geement given all the uncertainty in egypt within the foreseeable future, but if it is serious, egypt can reap many of the benefits of free trade through the massive expansion of the qu disirks system with -- qiz system with israel. they would lower the amount of israeli content required to be as part of the deal, but that would require the islamest president of egypt to recognize the benefits of much significantly broadened qiz relationship and to, in fact,...
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with israel would threaten egypt's economic aid from all across the world. if you want to sound smart today, tell your friends that egypt receives $2 billion in annual aid from the united states and is also seeking a $4.8 billion loan from the international monetary fund. we need to take a little break from the heavy stuff here. water cooler time. watching vice president joe biden show off his comedic timing, at least the intentional kind appearing in a cameo on "parks and recreation" here on nbc. the show's main character leslie plays by amy poehler gets a surprise engagement gift, the opportunity to meet her number one crush. >> how did you do this? >> called in a few favors. >> excuse me here. >> a few hundred favors, mr. vice president. ben wyatt from congressman murray's office. >> dave told me you would be coming by. welcome. >> you're -- my name just came out of your mouth. >> well, yeah, it did. >> well, this isn't happening. this isn't real. >> no, it's happening. and i'm delighted to have you here. on behalf of the president and myself -- >> oh, mr
with israel would threaten egypt's economic aid from all across the world. if you want to sound smart today, tell your friends that egypt receives $2 billion in annual aid from the united states and is also seeking a $4.8 billion loan from the international monetary fund. we need to take a little break from the heavy stuff here. water cooler time. watching vice president joe biden show off his comedic timing, at least the intentional kind appearing in a cameo on "parks and recreation"...
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secretary of state hillary clinton arrived in egypt. the bay area waking up to wet weather this morning on the busiest travel day of the year. to get you morning is faster return to seoul reporter jackie sissel who joins us live from oakland. >> good morning, the roads are still wet. two things with a wet roadways and another surprising thing so early in the morning is there seems to be a lot of traffic out here the morning before thanksgiving. lots of rain came down overnight and in the last 10 or 15 minutes the rain has stopped but you can see still lots of standing standing water on the roadway. also traffic you won't have a huge commute morning but a lot of people are headed out for a thanksgiving. traffic is starting to build out here kind of surprising. >> the good as it is there's no crazy traffic out this morning at least for you are at. where we seem showers as of now erica? >> the most have been inconsistent rain is in our east bay valleys. concord the willow pass and parts of antioch as well. not so much for jackie sissel is
secretary of state hillary clinton arrived in egypt. the bay area waking up to wet weather this morning on the busiest travel day of the year. to get you morning is faster return to seoul reporter jackie sissel who joins us live from oakland. >> good morning, the roads are still wet. two things with a wet roadways and another surprising thing so early in the morning is there seems to be a lot of traffic out here the morning before thanksgiving. lots of rain came down overnight and in the...
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so the catholics of egypt and orthodox of egypt as well as the protestants of egypt being under pressure all the time, discriminated against because of their faith, their faith must mean something to them- they are willing to pay for it. and those who are willing to pay for it and not to convert to islam under the pressure of poverty or lack of promotion, they must have a personal relationship with god- sacrament first or agent first- there is that living experience. the coptic church always puts emphasis on repentance, and repentance is in your life- one turns his back to sin and his face to god. so i think that they have that beautiful link between a person and christ under the pressure, and with the teaching, even if it is not as clear as protestants bring up justification by faith. >> see, that's a very remarkable spin on being a minority in a country with a dominant religion. as our conversation went on, he was saying something along the lines of, "you americans who are christian, you don't appreciate your christianity because it comes so easy." here- and he went on and on about thi
so the catholics of egypt and orthodox of egypt as well as the protestants of egypt being under pressure all the time, discriminated against because of their faith, their faith must mean something to them- they are willing to pay for it. and those who are willing to pay for it and not to convert to islam under the pressure of poverty or lack of promotion, they must have a personal relationship with god- sacrament first or agent first- there is that living experience. the coptic church always...
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clones the revolution -- who owns the revolution in egypt? after long period of gestation, they produced this president. for the secular forces, it is a revolution hijacked, stolen. all revolutions have this kind of disappointment, and we have to concede that the people who came together some 22 months ago or so have the right to feel disappointed. >> lots of anger on the streets, but also some people supporting this move. how divisive is this going to be? >> let's remember that when morsi won the presidency, it was like 51%-48%. two figures contested the presidency. one was a figure of the old regime and one was morsi. all the other forces divided themselves among the liberal candidates. he gave a speech laced with religion. he is a man of the muslim brotherhood. i think it is a complicated package now brings to the floor. e, he has given the crowd some of what they want. he sacked a very bad prosecutor and brought in a man who is a very good judge to complete the transition. >> what do you make of the timing of what he has done, coming on t
clones the revolution -- who owns the revolution in egypt? after long period of gestation, they produced this president. for the secular forces, it is a revolution hijacked, stolen. all revolutions have this kind of disappointment, and we have to concede that the people who came together some 22 months ago or so have the right to feel disappointed. >> lots of anger on the streets, but also some people supporting this move. how divisive is this going to be? >> let's remember that...